tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28755195.post7517036980243472947..comments2023-09-25T04:26:51.568-06:00Comments on The Barefoot Bum: More on abortion and misogynyLarry Hamelinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08788697573946266404noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28755195.post-77322655044474667772016-07-07T07:28:07.751-06:002016-07-07T07:28:07.751-06:00Hear hear!Hear hear!Larry Hamelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788697573946266404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28755195.post-71918648091994370892016-07-06T22:19:16.924-06:002016-07-06T22:19:16.924-06:00I have no patience with the use of the formulation...I have no patience with the use of the formulation "If there's a child present". It implicitly assumes that some day 'science' will answer the question of when a fetus becomes a human being. Does anyone seriously believe this will ever happen? It's as if they think we'll some day just test the amniotic fluid for the holy grail of a "humanity" protein. Any decision about when a fetus becomes human always is, was, and will be a social construct, not a scientific one. It's a societal decision, not a scientific fact. By using the formulation, the person signals that they will never entertain the notion that abortion is permissible, since until it can be scientifically decided that abortion is not murder, anyone's opinion that it is murder is valid and moral.Ed Petersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28755195.post-71078791893774524672008-02-07T04:25:00.000-07:002008-02-07T04:25:00.000-07:00Alex: If you consider a fetus to be a "child", the...Alex: If you consider a fetus to be a "child", then whatever it is that makes the person, it is not the <I>mind</I>. I must thus conclude that at some level you are indifferent to <I>mind</I> and you are indifferent to actual suffering or happiness, and that you would sacrifice the happiness of a thinking, feeling being to something nonthinking, non-feeling.<BR/><BR/>Your position is despicable, contemptible, hateful and evil.<BR/><BR/>It's dangerous too, because whatever it is you consider a person, I know that you would sacrifice my thinking, feeling mind — which is <I>me</I> — to whatever it is you consider my person.Larry Hamelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788697573946266404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28755195.post-19887285343095458902008-02-06T12:58:00.000-07:002008-02-06T12:58:00.000-07:00Very eloquent, yes. I don't think there's a moral...Very eloquent, yes. I don't think there's a morality debate at all. As you stated in the beginning, you don't wish to focus on the heart of the issue. The question is whether or not the fetus is a human being. If you're right and it is not, I agree with you completely.<BR/><BR/>Privacy, right to do what you want with your body... I agree with all of those things, but I also believe that there is a child present. Your arguments fall upon either completely deaf ears, or people who agree with you anyway.<BR/><BR/>If there's a child present, a human being, the abortion debate is over, so I'm not surprised that even the most eloquent pro-choice advocates refuse to discuss the issue. So, as an FYI, nobody disagrees with you about privacy issues or a woman's right to do what she wants.<BR/>I'm pro-life, and I believe that no one has the right to punish people for having sex. I believe it wrong, but that's there choice. If there were a punishment, it should fall on the man equally, if not more. Don't assume things about us you don't know to be true.AlexRexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09623458203093617109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28755195.post-5647790892307380422008-02-06T10:44:00.000-07:002008-02-06T10:44:00.000-07:00Not to be all sycophantic, since I agree but have ...Not to be all sycophantic, since I agree but have far more qualms about the issue than you express, but this is very well written indeed.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.com