Thursday, July 07, 2016

Fascism and violence

It's important to understand fascism in its historical context. Mussolini and Hitler used a complex of political, social, cultural, and economic ideas to seize and maintain state power. David Neiwert has done a lot of historical work on precisely what they did and how they did it.

But in another sense, I think it's important to analyze not just what fascism is or was, but what precisely we don't like about fascism. To no small extent, the specific ideas that the fascists promoted are historically contingent. They did what they did because material conditions in Italy and Germany in the 1930s made those specific ideas especially useful and effective. But it is no longer the 1930s, and the United States is not Italy or Germany, so we could relax some of the specifics of what fascism was, and concentrate on what was more generally bad about fascism.

So, for example, one element of fascism is subordinating the ordinary individual to the state, and the state to the Great Leader. If we're going to define fascism as the more-or-less "essential" elements of what Mussolini and Hitler did, this kind of subordination is pretty essential, and if someone we don't like doesn't have it, whatever they are, they're not fascists.

And on the other side, I personally don't want to subordinate myself to the state, but if that's what people want, why shouldn't they have it? Human individuality is at some basic level ineluctable, so if people were to individually choose to think of themselves as elements of the state, they are still actually individuals.

But what if the masses of Germans and Italians didn't actually choose to be good fascist citizens? Then our criticism wouldn't be that people chose some way to live that we personally don't like, but because the fascists violated the more general principle that people should exercise substantial freedom of choice. I'm not an historian, and I haven't studied the history of 1930s/1940s Italy and Germany in any detail, but from my cursory readings, it does seem that Italians and Germans didn't really choose to be fascists, but were intimidated into tolerating it.

And thus we can drill down into what's really bad about fascism in a more general way: legitimization of state power directly by violence. A regime is "fascist" in this sense to the degree that it maintains its legitimacy directly by its ability to perpetrate violence against its subjects, and not by its promise (even insincere) to maximize the well-being of its citizens. "We are the legitimate state," says the fascist, "because if you don't call us legitimate, we will beat you up or kill you." Such a state is a real state, it has legitimacy, but perhaps that's not the sort of legitimacy that we want.

Note that "legitimacy" in this sense is not the idea that some regime is legitimate by virtue of being the first unconstrained choice of almost all of its subjects; a state is legitimate to the extent that its subjects do not organize to oppose the state's monopoly on violence.

This idea subtly differs from the idea that the a state may legitimately use violence. Fascism is not the use or threat of state violence, but the establishment of legitimacy by means of violence. It is possible for a state to use considerable violence on its subjects — e.g. to punish unacceptably deviant behavior — so long as the mass of citizens legitimize that use on a non-violent basis. For example, people still murder their neighbors, and the state violently captures and punishes these people, but the prohibition on murder, and the state's legitimate use of violence to enforce that prohibition, is established morally and socially, not violently.

In this sense, then, a regime can be fascist to a greater or lesser degree, and can be more or less fascist towards different subsets of its population. So, for example, the American South* was absolutely fascist towards the black slaves, obtaining its legitimacy exclusively by its ability to perpetrate horrific violence against the slaves without organized opposition, and quite fascist against many white people, willing to use quite a lot of violence against white people who even hinted at opposition to slavery. In the South, slavery and the slave state was legitimate because any organized opposition to slavery was suppressed by violence.

*With the usual disclaimer that I'm not an historian of the antebellum South.

To a certain extent, it doesn't even matter that, in a climate of legitimacy-by-violence, some subjects will internalize what is supported by violence. Presumably, if the vast majority of citizens support some idea, it is unnecessary to use violence against a few idiosyncratic opponents. We do not, for example, presently hunt down and kill people who advocate biblical theocracy, despite this idea being completely contrary to our notions of a democratic republic. Thus we can infer that either opposition to slavery in the South was actually a majority*, or that allowing a minority to express opposition to slavery threatened the legitimacy of the Southern regime. Hence the South was strongly fascist.

*Of white people; we can confidently assume that almost every black person was opposed.

And too, the present neoliberal regime is quite fascist towards black people. At every level from local to federal, black people know that to effectively oppose state oppression of black people in any way means death. Organized opposition to racism is thus suppressed directly by violence. Organizations such as Black Lives Matter are tolerated only to the extent that they are ineffective. If BLM were to actually threaten the racist state, their leaders would be jailed or assassinated and their membership dispersed or slaughtered. (Most likely, BLM will be co-opted, their leaders inducted as junior members of the servants of the neoliberal ruling class, and the fascist violence against ordinary working-class black people will continue unabated.)

So too could socialists become fascists in this sense. A socialist state would be fascist to the degree that its legitimacy were established and maintained directly by violence. One of the core principles, therefore, of socialism should be that its legitimacy should never be established by violence, that socialism is absolutely anti-fascist. We must persuade the great mass of people that socialism is better, not that we have the soldiers and bullets to make people socialist, like it or not.


  1. Larry, I've read over some more of your blog and IMO you use the term "fascism" far too loosely. Slavery in the American South has existed since the 1600s. There was clearly no fascism anywhere in the world in the 1600s. None of the factors leading to fascism were present then.

    Fascism is in fact something highly specific. It always emerges within industrial mass society, not the society of the 1600s, and it is what happens within industrial mass society when people no longer have any real faith in the future at all, but instead completely dread it.

    The historical "driver" of this is when people living in industrial mass society think that technology has become nothing but a Kafkaesque nightmare that is no longer, on the whole, making people's lives better but is, on the whole, making their lives worse (they perceive). And/or when there is mass unemployment (I would say it has to be at least 25%) and/or mass hunger and people perceive that it is happening because they have been put out of a job because of machines and automation.

    We aren't anywhere near fascism today.

  2. Fascism is in fact something highly specific.

    I understand, and I acknowledge as much in the first half of the post. However, I'm asking a different question: what is it about fascism that we object to? What lessons can we learn from the actual fascists that we can extend to a more general analysis of politics and history?

    Clearly, the conditions that led to actual German/Italian fascism did not lead to American pre-capitalist chattel slavery. But it's interesting that they did share some common characteristics.

    We aren't anywhere near fascism today.

    We probably aren't near closely replicating the German and Italian experience of the 1930s-40s. But are we near conditions where the state's legitimacy is primarily established by brute force?

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    3. "I understand, and I acknowledge as much in the first half of the post. However, I'm asking a different question: what is it about fascism that we object to? What lessons can we learn from the actual fascists that we can extend to a more general analysis of politics and history?"

      Larry, I see what you're trying to say, but I find it very, very hard to sever fascism itself from the modern mass society mass movement aspect of fascism.

      Fascism always appears as a large mass movement driven by historical drivers that are very scary in and of themselves, i.e. mass unemployment (of ~25%, at least), and a profound mass loss of faith in the future by a significant portion of a population that is already living in a modern industrialized society and is of the opinion that it has seen "the future" and that it sees nothing but a Kafkaesque nightmare ahead. (It is no accident that Kafka wrote his most influential works ca. 1915, just 7 years before Mussolini took power in Italy, 8 years before Hitler's attempted Beer Hall Putsch, and 18 years before Hitler's actual taking of power in Germany. Kafka continued writing his "Kafka stories" until his death in 1924, just 9 years before Hitler's actual taking of power in Germany.)

      It is this mass loss of faith in the future within the specific context of modern industrial mass society, driven by things such as the perceived Kafkaesque nature of the same and persistent mass unemployment, I truly believe, that sets the genesis of Fascism apart from not only the genesis of Communism (which is forward thinking and has great faith in the future, see e.g. here 14:05-16:05), but also from the genesis of any-old-authoritarian-regime that merely uses violence and/or the threat of violence to maintain control.

  3. Larry, I see what you're trying to say, but I find it very, very hard to sever fascism itself from the modern mass society mass movement aspect of fascism.

    I think your analysis is perspicacious and seems correct.

    I think we're just looking at different problems, or looking at a particular historical phenomenon from different perspectives to answer different questions.

    You seem to be answering the question, "Why did fascism happen?" Great question! Great answer! I buy your argument that it's not happening today, at least not yet.

    I'm asking a different question, "What is it about fascism that we don't like?" If we're getting what we don't like, it doesn't matter for that question that we're getting it not from fascism but from somewhere else.

    1. "I buy your argument that it's not happening today, at least not yet."

      Larry, actually that's the one part of what I posted that I would change. I thought about it some more, and I think that while fascism is not happening today per se, there is indeed a threat of fascism in the near-future hovering over the USA today.

      In another post, you mentioned 1933 as the year when the technocrats took state power in the USA, and you say they held it until 1980, and that they 'fully lost it' (I forget your exact words) in 2016.

      Wrt "1933", I'm assuming you're referring to the seating that year of FDR as U.S. President and the seating of a Democratic Party majority in both houses of Congress after winning the elections of 1932. You mentioned the Great Depression as the historical driver of that.

      What I think your analysis of 1933-1980 (1933-2016?) is missing is the great promise held by many in the USA during that time of a "technotopia" that was supposedly on the horizon.

      "40 years away" was something I heard a lot when I was very young. "Nuclear fusion powering our homes is only 40 years away." "A cure for cancer is only 40 years away." "Colonies on Mars to alleviate overpopulation here on Earth are only 40 years away." And many, many people bought into this.

      And for a while the technocrats did produce vaccines and cures for many diseases. Scarlet fever, smallpox, poliomyelitis, whooping cough, etc., have been essentially eradicated in the West and in some cases the whole world. And the people oohed and aahed and cheered them on and continued to vote their political representatives into government.

      But at a certain point, new diseases arose, either emerging entirely anew or rising from rare obscurity: Diseases like AIDS, multiple sclerosis, transverse myelitis, and CIDP. For a while the technocrats repeated their "20 years away." "40 years away" etc. lines, but this time the diseases just kept coming with no vaccines or cures this time.

      Also needless to say, colonies on Mars to alleviate overpopulation here on Earth, fusion power for people's homes, energy "too cheap to meter", never happened at all and don't look like they're going to happen anytime soon.

      Eventually the technocrats stopped even bothering to repeat "20 years away, 40 years away".

      There are many people who feel that the unwritten technocratic promise, which they felt was in exchange for voting the technocrats state power, had been broken.

      But it's even worse than that. As the technocratic positives have slowed, the technocratic negatives have continued to pile up, Kafkaesque negatives that are decidedly not "40 years away", but are happening here, now, and are continuing to accumulate:

      We are one of the most surveilled societies on Earth. There are security cameras everywhere. NSA technocrats spy on our phone calls and emails. TSA technocrats grope people at the airport. There is technology after technology being created to spy on people.

      It's the avalanche of technocratic negatives combined with the slowing-to-a-trickle of the technocratic positives that is the recipe for fascism.

      Because of this, the clock may be ticking to stop the rise of fascism in the USA. Something you have said to me is that it is really the capitalists who are puppeteering everything behind the scenes, and that the technocrats are really just their lackey boys. In future Barefoot Bum articles, you should flesh this out, because it is not readily apparent how this puppeteering works.

  4. No argument there; the technological promises did not pan out, and that was a big promise of the PMC. but I don't think that's the crux of the biscuit.

    Capitalist control over the PMC is hardly covert. One rather obvious piece of evidence is Obama & HR Clinton's bailout of the big banks after the 2008 GFC, and the Democratic party's continued support for globalization (NAFTA, TPP) on terms so clearly unfavorable to American workers that they cannot be unintentional.

    1. "No argument there; the technological promises did not pan out, and that was a big promise of the PMC. but I don't think that's the crux of the biscuit."

      Larry, I don't think it can be glossed over. Keep in mind, this is not just the broken promise, not just the slowing-to-a-trickle of the techno-positives, but the continual accumulation of the techno-negatives which have not slowed to a trickle but accelerated.

      Let me provide what I think is a more telling example of how, in this regard, I think the technocrats are ultimately connected to the capitalists:

      I'm just barely old enough to remember when work for what seemed to be the vast majority of workers seemed to be 8 to 4 or 9 to 5 and then you were free. The jobs of the adults that I knew seemed to be that way late 80s early 90s. Then sometime when I was early gradeschool age I can remember when the stressed-out yuppie constantly tied to their constantly ringing cell phone (ringing because of work calling them outside of work) became a TV trope. Then I can remember when it went from being a TV trope to being a reality for many, many more people than just that high-flying ladder-climbing yuppie. Same thing with a work email that people are required to deal with outside of work on a daily basis. Did people get additional compensation for any of these things? Not that I'm aware of.

      Then I can remember when many jobs that didn't require that (in manufacturing, construction, etc.) seemed to melt away, and were replaced with "knowledge economy" jobs that did require it.

      I can remember very distinctly in particular my father becoming very stressed out because of this sort of stuff, these sort of "unwritten requirements" that increased and increased as the years went by. I can remember him saying to me once "Dustin, I wish cell phones had never been invented." after his job called him during a father-son summer orchestra event that we were playing in together (it thankfully wasn't during a rehearsal or performance, but it was aggravating enough for him nonetheless).

  5. Dustin, I completely agree with you, but I'm trying to make a bigger point than the correct point that the suckitude of modern society is increasing at an increasing rate: I want to get at why society sucks, and I think the answer that the PMC are assholes is not sufficient.

    My time is limited, though, so I will have to wait a while. Keep an eye on the main page, and I will explain with hopefully more clarity as time permits.

    1. But it's more than just that. I believe that the PMC elite really did try to use the situation of societal resentment caused by capitalist worker exploitation not for the actual betterment of the exploited classes but for their own personal gain. The enemy of thine enemy is not always thy friend.

      I know the higher end of the PMC. I know exactly how they think. There's a reason why I think "piranhas" and "snakes" are apt terms for them.

      It's a complicated situation. These are the meritocratic elite. They're the ones who have high SAT and GRE scores. They're the ones with the Oxbridge and Ivy League degrees. They're the ones with the major awards such as Pulitzer prizes. They're the ones who are sick and tired of playing second fiddle to people like the Walmart heirs, whom they see as stupid worthless "sons of the rich". They see people like the Walmart heirs "cutting up the pie and handing out slices" (to use your words), and they (the PMC elite) think it ought to be THEM who are the ones cutting up the pie and handing out the slices. After all, the way they see it they're the ones with the mega degrees, awards, and credentials.

      Thus the often justified resentment of the PMC elite boils into megalomania, and that's when they become "in the wrong".

      But at some point, people got wise to the PMC elite agenda. People got wise to the fact that somebody was using their (the exploited classes') plight as a vehicle to advance their own personal political gain. In other words, to take the power themselves while leaving the exploited classes "high and dry".

      And people saw themselves as having been manipulated. People thought "we've been had". And then they got very angry. Donald Trump then stepped in as a supposed "outsider" and manipulated the people's rage against the PMC elite to take the power himself, again the exploited classes have been left "high and dry".

    2. ^^None of the above, of course, is to excuse the misbehavior of the capitalists.

      My great friend was just fired recently from a factory for "not meeting company standards of speed", i.e. supposedly not working fast enough.

      It is clear that the capitalists, along with the megalomaniacs in the elite of the PMC, must all go.

    3. ^^ But again, this is all the more reason why the victimized classes need to watch out for false deceivers. In life, all-too-often true problems in need of real solutions are all too often instead dived upon by deceitful vultures looking not for sincere solutions but to use the situation for their own personal gain.

      In the case of the plight of the exploited classes, these particular deceitful vultures in question have been, and are still mostly in the form of, the vile silver-tongued snakes in the elite of the PMC.


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